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Monday, August 4, 2014

Does the Hebrew word Chuwg mean a flat circle like a coin or a sphere?

Here is another example of how the bible is wrong.


The Hebrew word Chug (חוג) means a flat-circle like a coin. The Hebrew word for a sphere like a ball is Dur (דור). He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a ball (Dur) into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. (Isaiah 22:18) While the Hebrew language lacked a specific term for sphere, we can tell from the way the word is used in other verses, that it is referring to a flat circle. Dur is not exclusively a word for sphere, but it is much closer to describing the earth than a circle is. Is. 29:3 And I will camp against thee round about, and will lay siege against thee with a mount, and I will raise forts against thee. Obviously the soldier would not camp around a sphere but encircle the city. The root of chûgh (or chug) is mentioned six times in the bible, and it is quite evident from its usage, in context, that it refers to a specific geometrical shape; "A circle as drawn with a compass" or "encompassed". In Job 26:10 and Prov. 8:27, chûgh is used with choq, intending "to inscribe a circle." This nominal infinitive form also appears in Job 22:14, when signifying "the circle of the heavens"In Isa. 40:22, where it denotes "the circle of the earth".43:12 uses chûgh as description of the rainbow.In Isa. 44:13, chûgh appears as mechûghah, which simply means "a compass," in other words the geometrical instrument which you use to can draw circles on a paper. In contemporary Hebrew cosmology the common belief was that the earth was formed as a plano-concave plate with slightly raised edges covered by high mountains, where the heavens were attached to the earth. In the second part of the above mentioned verse by Isaiah this becomes quite obvious when god stretched out the heavens over the earth like a canopy - which completely lose all meaning and become utterly absurd if you try to apply the text to an image of a spherical earth. However, it fits perfectly with a flat earth model. Moreover, Job 28:24, Job 37:3, Job 38:13, Jeremiah 16:19 and Daniel 4:11 all claim that the earth has ends (or edges depending on what version you read) But regardless of translation, a sphere has neither edges, nor ends. But a two-dimensional flat form does. In Job 11:9 you can read: "Their measure is longer than the earth and wider than the sea" which also become quite incomprehensible if you try to apply the verse to a spherical conception of the world, but again corresponds completely with the idea of a flat earth . Finally, in Job 38:44 it says: "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? Tell me, if you understand. Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! Who stretched a measuring line across it?" If the author would have had a spherical shape in mind, the last question in Job should have read "Who stretched a measuring line around it?"  

74 comments:

  1. So what you are saying is that the Creator of all things and author of the Holy Scriptures didn't know that the world was a sphere ror was implying the the earth was flat?

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    1. Scripture indicates pretty clearly but indirectly that the earth is flat would u like me to give u some to check out nasb edition only its a literal translation from the Hebrew (old testament) Greek (new testament ) no tom foolery just the beautiful WORD

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    2. Scriptures also mentioned the 4 corners or the earth many times.... do you believe that the earth is squared?

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    3. Beyond the dome we have no clue but since the word says it i believe it to be so haven't put much time into researching that will check it out see what i can come up with i have however found a better proof that the earth is flat in the atacama desert from its southern most point in chile u can see the bolivian andes Sajama in particular its 21,424 feet high according to curvature charts the base should be 45 miles below the horizon the top should be 40 miles below the horizon ,what, insane, but its visable from over 600 miles away and thats just off the coastline by the water which is flat as well

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    4. I am saying that the bible is wrong once again.

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    5. Sure buddy you can say the bible is wrong that your opinion but the facts that i have stated 100% prove the earth is flat and u cant debunk any of them so you not believing in the bible sends u to hell your choice im just showing what the bible teaches is the truth the earth is flat domed in and immovable

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    6. With all your nonsense you have proven nothing. We will continue to orbit the world and send satellites into space. We have even sent a satellite which has left our solar system. You are clueless.

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    7. So u clearly think math is wrong then huh theoretical science over proven math oooookkkkkk i love ya buddy its ok that youve been indoctrinated i was at one point too till they started changing things up on us i started doing my own research and well the proof is iron clad undebunkable period

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    8. U can too look to the bible brother Hes the truth the light and the way

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    9. There is nothing theoretical about satellites orbiting the planet.

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    10. Your own teachings say its impossible for satellites to make it to "space" because of the thermosphere that is said to exist taught by schools and nasa so yeah theories

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    11. There is no science which says it is impossible to make it into outer space. You are just making nonsense up. The facts are we have made it to outer space many times. So have the Russians. And currently the Chinese have sent up their own space lab which is in orbit as well. You are babbling.

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    12. Clearly youre not paying attention put down the marijuana and snap out of it thermosphere is to hot to make it through all the satellites would melt well before they make It through to"space" u must be a shill u sound like a guy who gets slapped in the face and then say i didnt just get slapped in the face when u so obviously did with the truth

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    13. You are not saying anything factual. What is obvious is that you have never studied anything but comments from other science deniers.

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    14. All my numbers posted are facts retrieved from science books and nasa web sights and simple observation and my own deduction they happen to coincide with the other people because they are right whereas youre info is scientific theory

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    15. All you have done is make up statements. We have satellites that orbit the earth. We have sent men to the moon and we have sent probes to Mars and even out of our solar system. This is not theory. It is cold hard facts.

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    16. Bible also says that "He sits over the circle of the earth", so does it have 4 corners or is it a circle? Or maybe bible is just using metaphorical and typological language.

      Pendulem proves that the earth is rotating. If you construct a Foucault pendulum in the northern hemisphere (ie north of the equator), the path it maps out if you plot the perimeter of the pendulum is clockwise.

      if you construct a Foucault pendulum in the southern hemisphere (ie south of the equator) the path traced out by the pendulum is counterclockwise.

      If you construct a Foucault pendulum exactly on the equator, the pendulum simply moves in the same path it starts off in ... ie it maps out a straight line without changing its orientation.

      A Foucault pendulum has actually been constructed at the south pole to verify this. Many other pendulums have been constructed in different countries at different latitudes on earth, and they all tell the same story. Also, do you know that cyclones spin clockwise in the southern hemisphere and counter-cllockwiese in the northern hemisphere, that’s because of the Coriolis effect, i.e., rotation of the earth.

      It is impossible to explain these phenomenons in any way other than that we are living on a globe which is rotating west to east.

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    17. Foucault pendulum has been proven fraudulent it doesn't stay moving with out help to maintain movement and its construction is why it spins cause at the top of the pendulum they have a circular ring that will cause the right or left movement set up a pendulum and don't start it moving it will stay not moving and when u start it if u don't have something to keep it swinging it will stop look it up faucult pendulum has been easily debunked thank you come again

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    18. No so.. A proper pendulum is free swinging. There is a mechanism in place to propel it when it starts to slow down, but it only propels it in the direction it's swinging at that specific moment and then lets off and it swings freely again. I've personally seen pendulum in motion. You can say what ever you want, i know that a proper pendulum proves the rotation of the earth. The motion trajectory and duration correspond to the 24 hour cycles-magically?:) Also, you haven't answered why identically constructed pendulums swing opposite directions in different hemispheres! And the cyclone rotate different direction in different hemispheres! Why you ignore the most import part of the question?

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    19. Like i said I if the earth was spinning it wouldn't need any mechanism to keep it spinning ur such a shill even with absolute evidence mine not yours u still say that same garbage like Mr Rochelle says ur an idiot ur the guy that shits his pants and tries to say its not u but shits running down ur leg and u stink like an outhouse I'm not answering that question cuz the faucult pendulum is false and has been debunked answer my question y do u say the earth is round when mathematically it is impossible to be round u can't debunk one of my proofs i destroy all ur b.s. so yeah

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    20. Considering by how you speak, i doubt that you're a true christian. The rotation of the earth would not propel the pendulums swing back and forth, what it does do is offset its circular trajectory as it swing back and forth. Sounds like you have no true knowledge of pendulums or physics. Of course you're not going to answer that...:) I don't even need pendulum phenomena to prove you wrong... cyclones spin opposite directions in the opposite hemispheres also.

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    21. Considering how u contemplate all the mathematical evidence and ignore it i doubt youre an intelligent human and ur a perfect follower of Christ sure buddy im out here debunking fake space /nasa for the sake of the word and all u doing is arguing bs theories i have absolute math proof u have debunked theories u cant see me putzy shill

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    22. Bill, if anyone should not be considered an intelligent human being, it is you. Your vocabulary is pathetic, your reasoning is absurd and what you present as evidence is nonsense.

      Satellites orbit the earth. This is not hypothetical. One can view them in space using a telescope. On the flip side, meteorites fall to earth all the time. That would be impossible if there was a dome that prevented anything going out as it would also prevent anything coming in. You are delusional.

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    23. It was fun reading this...
      Bill L needs a nomination into the league of special potatoes, he's 1 chromosome short of 48, bit of a downy.

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  2. If the earth is flat, as you say, when the sun moves behind it, there should be darkness in the whole world, but it's not the case; i always video massage, via periscope app and Skype with my friends from around the world, and some of them have day, some have night during the same phone call!

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    1. I'm confused at what u wrote "when the sun moves behind" what the earth it doesn't it rotates in a circular pattern around the north pole and depending on the season it rotates over the tropic of either cancer or Capricorn the moon too ill find the video that will help u alot its by rob skiba and it shows the flat earth roughly how it looks and the seasons and how they work im going to map out the world with mile measurements from city to city to attempt to project a more accurate representation of our flat earth but his video is close

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    2. You wrote, "I'm confused"

      That is completely obvious.

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  3. Linda and Eugene the Bible tells us the earth is flat in over 25 verses throughout the old and new testament the most prolific in my opinion is Matthew 4:8 where the devil temps Jesus "again the devil took Him to a very high mountain and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and there glory" impossible on a globe 100% possible on a flat earth + here's your physical proof that the earth is flat NASA , science,books teach us the earth is 24901 miles circumference all the pictures show a perfect circle every time, to find the curvature of a circle that big is simple, it breaks down to 4150 parts of 6mile increments and since nasa says we are a sphere, that six mile stretch has to occur any and everywhere on the earth and there is countless proves of that everywhere recently i was at Harsons island and could see Detroit from there which is over 50 miles away, according to curvature charts an object 50 miles away should be 1666.6 miles down or beyond the horizon the rennisuance center in Detroit is about 800 feet tall meaning the top of the building should be an additional 800+ further beyond the horizon but is visible with the naked eye , all bodies of water no matter how big or what size or shape they are, the water when calm will be level and flat ,the earth is made of 70% water and all the oceans are connected plus the navy has a rail gun that shoots projectiles 6000 + miles per hour at targets over 200 miles away straight shots no steering capabilities the earth is flat and just so u no no space travel all nasa is a lie they taught us about the thermosphere its temperature is between 500 degrees Celsius and 2500 degrees Celsius all the metals they use on the space fakes are made of titanium aluminum and gold all have melting points under 1700 degrees Celsius including theglass windows it would all melt including the people in side Amos 9:6 nasb edition which is the most accurate and literal translation says "the One who builds His upper chambers in the heavens and has founded His vaulted dome over the earth" no space travel the dome (the firmament) contains us its blue and beautiful have u ever wondered y they say the earth casts its shadow on the moon and that's the reason for the moons phases but yet today the sun and moon will be in the sky at the same time and the moon will show half moon phase which looks like a flat line but the shadow is supposed to be from the earth oh and shadows are black you know lack of light then why is the moons shadow blue like the firmament and its craters too that's because its not a shadow

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  4. I'd be glad to give those scriptures just ask me

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  5. Satellites orbit the earth and we use our GPS devices from these satellites. Sorry Bill, the earth is not flat. That is completely absurd.

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    1. Then debunk what I've written u can't trust me

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    2. Orbiting satellites debunk your opinion.

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    3. Nothing can make it through the thermosphere satellites and shuttles and rockets would melt only drones brother thats why we still lose signal drones get offline for a moment for whatever reason and the signal is gone once it gets back online the signal returns thats y storms cause signal loss they cause a rough flight for the drone

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    4. , after rockets would melt then i ment only drones flying in our atmosphere

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    5. http://www.math.tamu.edu/~dallen/physics/gps/gps.htm

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    6. So u post more info from the lying shills to try to debunk my solid proof oooookkkkkkkk

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    7. Satellites exist. Sorry, you are a very confused person.

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    8. And just as the cherry on top explain why u never see the other old "satellites " plus all the "space junk" in any photo unless a shill or two at most stating something dumb and shilly like "look its a satellite see space does exist and the earth is round now go become an indoctrined astrofakeicist and and dont forget to show pictures of fake planets that when u look through a telescope looks absolutely nothing like what we will show in pictures wake up youve been lied to

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    9. The European Space Agency's GOCE satellite fell to Earth on Nov. 10, 2013 to meet a fiery doom during re-entry. Full Story: 1-ton European Satellite Falls to Earth in Fiery Death Dive The gravity-mapping GOCE satellite weighed about 1-ton and was about 17 feet long (5.3 meters). That's pretty big, but much larger satellites have made uncontrolled re-entries over the years. Take a look at some of the most massive spacecraft to ever come crashing to Earth outside of their operators' supervision. Editor's note: Russia's Mir space station is included here as a reference for comparison (due to its massive size), but it was intentionally deorbited in a controlled manner in 2001. - See more at: http://www.space.com/13049-6-biggest-spacecraft-falls-space.html#sthash.IFzwY1QE.dpuf

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    10. That was not a reentry it was a failed attempt to break God's dome they can't and like i said where's the photos of all the satellites that are "up there" floating in "lower earth orbit" there is over 3500 old satellites not in use any more still up there then whwr e are they that's what i thought and since math proves wi th out a doubt that the earth is flat all NASA info is absolutely false no moon landings no Hubble telescope no universe no stars billions of light years away already extinguished they can't make it through the dome period no such thing as the south pole and we r supposedly spinning at bla bla bla mph but the clouds float about with out streaking because of mountains and tall buildings and structures the earth spinning would act like a fan spinning at bla bla bla mph causing the clouds to all end up streaking and blowing and flowing in one direction but that don't happen and the north star doesn't move stays directly over the real north pole i got so much more proof too give it up shill

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    11. Bill 1 if you believe in the Bible, then you should believe that God has created worlds without end.

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  6. Eugene look up "how the 4 seasons work on the flat earth model" by rob skiba on youtube it will give u some clarity on what we look like and how the sun and moon work over our flat earth

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  7. They use drones brother look it up google just bought one

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  8. Gps is drones and towers broski

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  9. If the world was a globe which i killed u could get perfect satellite service from 6 satellites north south east west then top and bottom but since ive proven without a doubt we are flat well u know and the fact that they would melt you clearly dont read my proofs stop trollin for the shills and get u some Jesus

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  10. You are correct. I do not bother reading your nonsense. You are a very confused person. Seek medical assistance.

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  11. Just mad cuz im right hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha flat out

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    1. Nothing to be mad about. Satellites exist. That you do not accept this is meaningless.

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    2. If u want to go on believeing that then ok for u u ignore absolute facts so bummer for u

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  12. Reality is not a bummer. You are the one ignoring reality. Satellites exist. The space station exists. We have been to the Moon and have sent probes to land on Mars.

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    1. Clearly u must be lacking understanding not to be crass but you are basically saying you believe theoretical science over proven math so yeah bummer not reality brother reality is Jesus Christ he is the truth the light the way

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    2. There is nothing theoretical about the reality that satellites and the space station orbit the earth in outer space.

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    3. The thermosphere says its theoretical u know the part of our atmosphere they taught us about in grade school that would absolutely melt any satellite period end of you argument but like you've clearly been doing you'll ignore fact for fiction u need to change ur handle from anonymous to hopelessly lost

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    4. Satellites and space ships are built with heat refractors. You have no idea what you are talking about.

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    5. I have no idea what im talking about do you know about the thermosphere it would melt everything the temperature was measured in the thermosphere not the tip of the plane heat refractors lol so the heat refractors make it but the rest burns up shut the f up retard the temp in and around the thermosphere melts all the material on the satellite unless the satellite is made up of tungsten the only usable metal to be able to withstand the heat and not melt immediately but they don't and the whole satellite would have to be covered in the heat refractor material which can only be tungsten and they are not so shut the duck up u and Jeff Dunham i mean Dixon have to be the most retarded people I've come across when any half ass globie sees the proof they know they are wrong and shut up but you two fags r something else get a clue sheep

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    6. You state that "I have no idea what im talking about"

      I agree.

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    7. You are an odd little man.

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    8. Read and learn.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_thermal_protection_system

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    9. Bill, I was with ya until you resorted to the attack mode. That's the globers way with this subject. To resort to hateful insults and the like. This is because the logistical aspect, with which the Flat Earth theory stands firmly on, is beyond reproach. Don't resort to their tactics, but keep up the struggle and God bless.

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    10. I agree satellites exist. Plus, satellites can be seen with telescopes.There also are what's called geostationary satellites that from a perspective from Earth appear motionless. The geostationary satellites would not remain in their designated locations if the Earth were flat - they would fall to Earth if Earth were flat. Reason a geostationary satellite will stay in their designated position is they are in a orbit around a spherical heavenly body aka Earth. The geostationary satellites each orbit Earth and it takes twenty four hours to complete one orbit around the Earth. That explains why, using a telescope, it appears in the sky motionless. The satellite antennae's commonly seen everywhere must be precisely aimed at a geostationary satellite to receive reception. If not aimed correctly then no TV signal.

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    12. Iridium flares occur when a satellite reflects sunlight very brightly - thereby proving the existence of satellites.

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  13. better check many online hebrew dictionary the word חוּג (chug)means circle, ring, boundary, compass, sphere, horizon... and also Bible is written in poetry not as scientific book so that easier to understand.

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  14. the hebrew word [dur] for ball also mean circle (from strong's dictionary) but here it is used in context to man (size is known). while in isa 40:22 [chug] for circle (for sphere) is more suitable because sphere can be of any size and can be any round object. so the word [chug] for circle (sphere) is suitable for earth's context because it's size is not revealed to mankind that time.

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  15. A sphere can only be spherical not circular know if you was to cut it in half theres your circle the circumference and the word for circle and sphere is different

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  16. A sphere can only be spherical not circular know if you was to cut it in half theres your circle the circumference and the word for circle and sphere is different

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    1. but you search hebrew english dictionary [chug] is used for both sphere and circle because hebrew does not have specific word for sphere? right.

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    2. and bible does not teach mathematics. for that God has separately given wisdom. its just plain language!

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  17. CHUWG/CHUG/CHOQ = "CIRCLE"
    DUR/DURW = "BALL"

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  18. CHUWG/CHUG/CHOQ = "CIRCLE"
    DUR/DUWR = "BALL"

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  19. I have come to finally believe that the earth is FLAT as of about 9 months ago. My question is, since we know it is circular (like a dinner plate, yet flat--"chuwg"), how then are there "corners" to it like a square? Thanks!

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  20. Bill, thank you for the information. It's a tough one to argue since the majority have been fooled and indoctrinated with all the deceptions that are all around us...but you did an excellent job. Keep up the good work. (Just one suggestion if I may...don't get upset, just stand firm, as the truth will stand in the end; and the end is very very soon.)

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  21. Google: "Australian Antarctic Division:Leading Australia's Antarctic Program" to see graphs depicting the months of non-stop continuous sunlight or months of continuous night. Plus, a video showing 24 hours of daylight.
    This natural phenomenon exists at both polar 90 degree points for months at a time.
    Only can occur with a spherical Earth.
    It's impossible to occur with a so-called flat earth and so-called "spotlight" Sun.

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