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Thursday, May 12, 2011

Alexander the Great’s Encounter With a Dinosaur?

"When Alexander threw some parts of India into a commotion and took possession of others he encountered among many other animals a Serpent which lived in a cavern and was regarded as sacred by the Indians who paid it great and superstitious reverence. Accordingly Indians went to all lengths imploring Alexander to permit nobody to attack the Serpent; and he assented to their wish. Now as the army passed by the cavern and caused a noise, the Serpent was aware of it. (It has, you know, the sharpest hearing and the keenest sight of all animals.) And it hissed and snorted so violently that all were terrified and confounded. It was reported to measure 70 cubits although it was not visible in all its length, for it only put its head out. At any rate its eyes are said to have been the size of a large, round Macedonian shield."
Aelianus, Claudius, On Animals, Book #XV, Chapter 19-23, c.210-230.

There are articles like this posted all the time on Christian websites. They are trying to show that dinosaurs have lived in fairly recent times, which means that Evolution is wrong about the idea that dinosaurs died off 65 million years ago.

Evolution does not say that dinosaurs must have died off 65 million years ago for the theory to be true. It says that it appears that dinosaurs died off 65 million years ago because that is what the evidence shows us. If a small group of dinosaurs were able to survive until modern times, that would not disprove evolution. Evolution is simply any change in the frequency of alleles within a gene pool from one generation to the next.
It is important to note that biological evolution refers to populations and not to individuals and that the changes must be passed on to the next generation. In practice this means that, Evolution is a process that results in heritable changes in a population spread over many generations. There is nothing is in this idea that says that any particular species must have died off at any given time.

Now, that does not mean I believe that Alexander actually encountered a dinosaur. But if he did or anyone else has in the last 5,000 years, it does not change anything in the theory. It only changes the time frame of how long the dinosaur species has lasted.

12 comments:

  1. Thanks for the interesting answer. I also don't understand how dinosaurs living recently apparently debunks evolution.

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  2. Interesting. I think your first point is true "They are trying to show that dinosaurs have lived in fairly recent times, which means that Evolution is wrong about the idea that dinosaurs died off 65 million years ago." Considering the number of accounts found I think there is some truth to it.
    The question is one of credibility. Why do evolutionists ignore of hide these accounts, like the account from Marco Polo?
    I agree, that modern dinosaurs do not challenge evolution directly, just time frames, yet I see commentators try to paint these accounts as if they are all crocs or gators.
    You should ask evolutionist friends why the fear of these accounts and why they are are not communicated with interest? (Who doesn't like a dinosaur story?
    I'd be interested in why only creationist sites make these postings?
    Cover-ups make me suspicious and who doesn't like a good conspiracy?

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  3. I would say that the reason that people who study Evolution ignore these accounts is also one of credibility. Since there is no evidence of dinosaurs existing for the past 65 million years, they discount anecdotal stories about the topic. However, I would be fascinated if we did find some.

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  4. Creationists are showing that the fossil record does not represent millions of years because dinosaurs co-existed with man and died out quite recently. There is an abundance of evidence to support this idea. And without millions of years, evolution collapses.

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  5. There are simply too many different dating systems that show the universe is billions of years old and that animals have existed for hundreds of millions of years.

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  6. I've been reading through several of your post. I like the idea of rational thought. I am a Christian, but I agree with you. I hate it when Christians try to make the Bible say something it doesn't. It cheapens faith and makes us look stupid. Now that doesn't mean that I agree with evolution. After all, it takes as much faith to believe in evolution as it does to believe in God. Evolution is not science. The Theory of Evolution is as much a religion as any other. Both sides are guilty of using minor evidence or heresay to try to prove a point. Take the pigs tooth for instance. True Science is something that is able to be reproduced over and over again in a lab. You can no more prove evolution than I can that God exist. Shame on all of us for trying to twist things to meet our own private agendas. I want to believe in God, you don't...big deal. We'll all find out the truth someday when we die and then it will be to late to matter. What say you?

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  7. I realize this is an old discussion but if I found it then I am sure others are seeing it too. Just to be clear, if dinosaurs lived 65 million years ago, then they are all long dead by now. The odds of even a single one surviving would have to be beyond astronomical. Humans (according to modern theory) have only been around for 200,000 years. I am not going to take the time to do the math but dinosaurs would have had to survive thousands of times that long with no medicine, technology, self-awareness, and in a world that is no longer designed to support them... If dinosaurs lived recently, it does not have to debunk evolution, it proves that modern theories are exactly what they sound like, silly childish fairy tales. It debunks the "scientists" that cling to the evolution religion.

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    1. Quick edit, I went ahead and did the math because I felt like I was really exaggerating that number, its 325 times. That is all.

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  8. Dog Variability. When bred for certain traits, dogs become different and distinctive. This is a common example of microevolution—changes in size, shape, and color—or minor genetic alterations. It is not macroevolution: an upward, beneficial increase in complexity, as evolutionists claim happened millions of times between bacteria and man. Macroevolution has never been observed in any breeding experiment.

    http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/LifeSciences.html

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  9. I like that this was posted. Finally and honest, unbiased answer from a nonbeliever. Truly rational and unbiased, you hold up to the claim. Still not going to tell Alexander the Great (well known historical figure), his frightened army, or those Indians what they saw though.

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  10. I like that this was posted. Finally and honest, unbiased answer from a nonbeliever. Truly rational and unbiased, you hold up to the claim. Still not going to tell Alexander the Great (well known historical figure), his frightened army, or those Indians what they saw though.

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  11. Evolution is scientifically impossible but atheists will never admit it. As for dinosaurs Marco Polo and Alexander the great are just a couple of people in history who describe seeing these things with their own eyes.

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